- It's once again time to
get gutsy with Liz Hall
and her expert guests on
the Gutsy Bay Podcast.
- We are back again with Dr. Anna Toker.
I saw on your IG post, uh,
microbiome Diversity Challenge.
Can you explain a little about that?
- So, okay, this,
now this is fa Now I am a
microbiologist by training.
I have a master's degree in microbiology.
It's what I did prior to
going to medical school, um,
because I thought I was
gonna be an MD PhD in like
cure cancer or save the
world or something, right?
This did, I'm not
designed for a quiet lab.
You probably could've been out. Um, okay.
But so the microbiome thing
has always fascinated me.
For 35 years ago when I
was in graduate school, um,
there was, we were just
starting DNA sequencing,
like it was very early in the technology.
There was a technology for
the Human Genome project
that was out in California.
So a lot of the PhDs that
left our program went
to California and they were
sequencing the human genome.
Mm-Hmm. now, somewhere
around the year 2000.
So, you know, it took them
about 10 years. They did it.
They accomplished the mission.
And now you got all these scientists, most
of whom are microbiologists
and biochemists with nothing to do.
And naturally they turn
to the highest source
of bacteria known to man,
which is inside your gut.
And they start to realize that
we can't actually name all
of the thousands of species
that there are, you know,
tens of millions, trillions.
I mean, like the number, the
sheer number of bacteria,
the number of species is
well into the thousands,
if not 10,000 different species.
And, um, it's, we can't, I
don't think it's knowable.
Ultimately, maybe it will be every
person is a little bit different.
Your microbiome is sort
of like a fingerprint.
And it is constantly changing.
It's changing because of your environment,
because of your diet, and
because of your own stress levels
and neurology, right?
So you, the human person
exert a stress on this microbiome,
but then the microbiome turns
around and either rewards you
or punishes you with neurotransmitters,
vitamin cofactors, et cetera.
It's a fascinating thing there.
Most diseases, when they
test your microbiome,
you will have a dysfunctional microbiome.
A microbiome that does
not suit your purpose.
And so then the question has become,
and it's an interesting
question, which came first,
the dysfunctional
microbiome or the disease.
And as it turns out, the dysfunctional
microbiome came first.
And this is very likely how
modern food is injuring us.
And this is my theory on the topic.
There, there is one guy, God bless him,
and I do follow his research.
I don't know know if he
has social media or not.
He's a typical scientist.
He is got dozens of papers on this topic
that he started publishing in 2020.
I mean, uh, no, 2000 on celiac disease.
Where's colorectal surgeon?
I take care of that for a living. And
what causes celiac disease?
Wheat and these celiac
patients make an inflammatory
protein zonulin.
I know the names.
There's an inflammatory protein
these patients make. Mm-Hmm.
to their surprise,
every human being makes that same protein.
It's just celiac patients
make it in a huge quantity.
And the average person doesn't
make it in a huge quantity.
But what they've been able
to show is any disease,
every disease that they
have tested thus far,
those patients exhibit
ev elevated levels of
that inflammatory protein.
And if, if you remove gluten,
this is why I get tell
everyone, go gluten free.
Right? So if you remove gluten
and you calm down intestinal
inflammation, you'll get rid.
Unless you're a celiac patient,
you'll get rid of the protein.
That's so far, they have
lynchpin as the origin
of all human disease that's chronic.
And it seems so simple.
So how do you get rid of inflammation
in the intestinal tract?
You do that with the help
of the bacteria in your intestines.
And, and this is the evil.
And I don't, I'm not saying
people do this on purpose.
I'm not saying big commercial
interest are really,
are actually trying to murder you,
but they're, they're making
products that are safe,
quote unquote, technically
for the human person
with no collateral studies on
what this is doing to your microbiome.
Right? So artificial sweeteners
are the classic example.
Now, some of them do cause
cancer, they kind of hid that.
I'm gonna give, okay, let's
not talk about that one.
'cause that one causes cancer. But some
of the others don't cause cancer.
Some of them are natural and
organic. Xylitol, erythritol.
These sugar alcohols are
organic, they're made in nature.
Mm-Hmm. , they have very
few calories, almost zero,
horribly damaging to your microbiome.
So I just described
something that's organic
and natural that you would buy.
They blend it into stevia,
they blend it into monk fruit.
So you think you're
doing something healthy
by not getting the chemical
sweetener all organic,
and yet you are still
destroying your microbiome
because there's erythritol
or xylitol or allulose
or something like that in there.
Those natural sugars damage the
microbiome in the microbiome
that is damaged causes
inflammation which releases the
zonulin even in someone who's
not doing a gluten diet.
Right? So you wanna avoid
the artificial sweeteners
to make the the bacteria grow in balance.
You'll want to diversify your diet.
So human beings are
creatures of habit. Mm-Hmm. .
Like I talk to patients daily
who have had this same
breakfast, same lunch,
and same dinner every day of their
lives for the last 60 years.
And they will tell you they
cannot possibly be my diet.
I've been eating this diet for 60 years.
And then you try to explain
to 'em, well, I know,
but they're treating food differently
and they're adding stuff
differently without telling you,
you know, and the switch
from sugar to corn syrup.
It's hard for people to wrap their minds
around fat complexity.
If you huon person can think
outside your box a little
bit, if you have issues,
a chronic illness, a belly pain,
and you are eating the exact
same thing every single day,
even if you're trying to lose weight
and you're just eating less,
you're still eating the same thing.
And your obesity is dependent
on a functioning microbiome
that calms down inflammation.
You have to have a calm
intestinal tract to lose weight.
Mm-Hmm. , you have to
have calm intestinal tract
to get out from PMS and endometriosis
and, um, menopause.
This is all based on the microbiome.
So the microbiome challenge
was basically this.
Think outside the box.
Try to eat 20 different species
of vegetation, plant fruits and veggies.
You gotta make sure you
know where they're source,
that they're not spoil
sprayed with herbicides or wax
or that ede stuff that
Bill Gates wants to Yeah.
Don't do the ed appeal. Don't
do the Yeah. Appeal. Yeah. .
Right? Well, because you
want all those organisms,
all those plants have
their own microbiome.
Mm-Hmm. . So when you consume them,
you're consuming the plant's microbiome.
So that's number one, a probiotic to you.
Number two, the colors
in all those vegetation
and choose as many colors as possible are
what we call phyto phenols.
And the microbiome likes
diversity of the phyto phenols.
So if you can avoid herbicides
and pesticides, if you can eat
them raw, if not blend them.
So at least they're not,
when you cook them, you kill the bacteria.
You don't get the probiotic effect.
Um, some people have to,
they can't digest veggies
very well, so they have
to kind of cook.
But if you blend them, you
can digest them better. Right?
So that was the whole concept.
Think outside the box.
If you're still confused,
um, then it's time
to do some microbiome testing
and that'll, that'll give
you a better diet to follow.
But out the box, how many different
species can you eat in a day?
Rainbow. Right? Make a rainbow.
Yeah. That's a good one.
a rainbow. Colorful foods. Yes.
- I also saw on your
IG post, you have two,
uh, Tuhi Tuesday. I love that.
- Tuesday. Yes. My favorite.
We got semi shadow band for
saying the word tushie also.
Really? I, I mean, I don't know.
I almost give up, but I
choose not to give up. Yes.
My tushie Tuesday, I originally started
doing probably five years ago.
And uh, when I had no Instagram follow my
own patients wouldn't even follow it.
But if their ass hurt, they
would start following it
because all of a sudden
they're like, oh, toker.
Yeah. That's the advice you
give for hemorrhoids. Yeah.
Share it with your friends.
So there's not enough of me
to go around is the issue.
A lot of primary care doctors
will hear you got hemorrhoids,
they'll send you a referral Tomorrow,
we got 200 referrals last week.
How am I gonna see 200 patients?
That means probably this
week we got the same number.
I mean, I don't know. I can't
see these many patients.
So most of those patients do
not ever need an operation.
So my office, when they
talk to you, will triage
who needs surgery, who is
like, this has been a problem
for 20 years, and then we'll
refer them to Tihi Tuesday.
We do that on, on YouTube.
That way it's cataloged.
And then we also do it on
Instagram and Facebook.
And so most
of my Tuesdays are specifically
related to my specialty.
The other days of the
week, I have a tendency
to venture out into
other things, microbiome,
how it affects your blood sugar.
Um, or I, I sit on the medical board
for a company called Super Patch.
So I do videos on how
to use their technology.
We're about to launch a digestive
product called ZI seven.
So I'm gonna start to do videos on that.
So my Monday through Friday
are kind of those other things.
Tuesday typically is
a digestive thing. So,
- So uh, speaking of,
is it ZI seven, right?
So can you share some Yeah.
Share some of that please.
- Yeah. We launch July 8th.
Right now there is a pilot
program going on just
to make sure we know what
the feedback from people are.
What are the most frequent
asked questions this way when we
launch Mm-Hmm. .
Um, there's already a database of,
these are the most common ask questions.
I mean, I made a guess what a
thought the most common would
be, but basically the
majority of the people
that come into our office
are gonna complain of
what is basket termed IBS.
Mm-Hmm. IBS are the more
severe. And there's IBS diarrhea.
There's IBS constipation.
These patients eat, they get belly pain,
they have gas bloat.
Some of them may have
reflux and heartburn.
Their primary care doctors
or gastroenterologists
put 'em on antacids,
never take them off the antacids.
That only makes it worse.
And so what is the kind
of one stop shopping for those people?
And right now there is none.
So this is a digestive
aid product that's kind
of all encompassing.
So I break the digestive process into
seven components.
The first is the kind of
the processing of the food,
the churning and the burning, so to speak.
Mm-Hmm. . You gotta chew
your food. Well, small bites.
Chew your food well. Mm-Hmm.
, the stomach, the
pancreas, the gallbladder,
the intestines all need to
do some manner of squeezing.
They have to Mm-Hmm. .
There has to be acid there.
I don't know when the
acid got a bad or out.
So few people need an antacid. Um, yes.
- That the name antacid
anti-acid confuses people.
'cause they think they don't have
enough acid in their stomach.
But it's the opposite.
- Yeah. So an antacid stop, they have too.
- People think they have, sorry,
they think they have too much acid.
I mean, but it's the opposite.
- Correct. But even doctors
will think that. Right?
So the thing is, the the
bad guy, when it comes to
esophageal burning, stomach
burning is actually coming from
bile, believe it or not.
Mm-Hmm. . That's the
one that causes cancer.
That's the one that causes upset.
Your, the acid in your stomach.
And again, understanding
that God made us
beautifully and perfectly.
It has to be there. The
stomach is designed for acid.
Why are we turning that off?
You can't digest your food without acid.
So, but acid does burn.
So if you've got a
digestive component sort
of in the mid intestinal tract,
you'll wind up struggling in the stomach
esophagus as reflux.
And in the colon either as
diarrhea and constipation.
It just is, it's just plumbing.
This is just physics and plumbing.
Mm-Hmm. , um, acid burns.
You take the add acid,
the burning goes away.
But guess what? The damage continues.
And a stomach without acid in it, you now,
you can't absorb all your vitamins.
You're not breaking down your food.
You're more at risk for gastric cancer.
And then more importantly,
you're encouraging a
condition called small
intestinal bacterial overgrowth.
Where bacteria don't like this acid,
they stay away.
There's only one or two types of bacteria
that can live in the acid.
And so that's how your body likes it.
The more diverse your upper
intestinal microbiome gets,
the worse you're gonna feel.
You don't want that. The
upper intestinal tract
needs to be kind of limited.
When we say microbiome diversity,
we're talking about the lower
half of the intestinal tract.
The more the diverse
crowd who wants your food
realizes there is no acid,
they're gonna naturally get
closer to the faster to the fun.
They're no different than people.
They want the shortcut
and they wanna be the first at the trough.
And those bacteria are
not kind when they make,
when they eat your food
because you didn't digest it.
They're making methane
and all kinds of things
which cause belly pain.
And, and that causes reflux
and constipation and diarrhea.
So that process can really be unwound if
you promote a healthy amount
of acid in the stomach
coordinated with digestive enzymes.
And so that churn and burn
process has to occur for you
to break down your food.
So the third part is
breaking down your food.
So our product has digestive bitters in it
that coordinate the stomach
and the bile of the pancreas.
And then it has digestive enzymes in it,
including cellulase, which
will help you digest plant
material that way you can, he the advice
of doing diversity of the plants.
Um, and then, so then you want to
have an anti-inflammatory component
to help support the lining
of your intestinal tract.
So we got anti-inflammatories
in there as far
as herbal supplements
and some, um, cystine
glutathione precursors.
And, um,
and then some of the herbals
will help offset constipation.
And then the probiotic blend
that we have is made specifically
to survive stomach acid
and it contains for women's health.
And since I'm talking to you,
and I'm assuming you have
a high women category.
Yes. I'm assuming because
Oh, you're correct. Yeah.
Well, the name of your
podcast, it tipped me.
Um, but women's health, women who lack
lactobacillus tend to have
dysfunction, vaginal dysfunction,
uterine dysfunction,
irritable bowel syndrome.
And so there are three
lactobacillus in there
that are critical for female health.
And it helps your thyroid,
your estrogen levels, um,
the reproductive organs, et cetera.
And that's the lactobacillus re eye rosis
and acid dophilus.
Those three have been
shown to help with IBS.
But as it turns out, help
normalize your thyroid,
help normalize your
estrogen if you have PMS
or polycystic ovarian disease.
Okay. So the, that probiotic's
incredibly important.
And then we have a spore
forming bacillus in there,
which will help kind of
chase away the bad guys.
Right? So you wanna repel
the bad bacteria that way.
That upper intestinal tract
has its limited population
that likes an acidic environment
the way it was intended.
And if you can get that, that
stomach to kind of early,
small bowel in that sweet
spot pH, then it tends
to take away a lot, a lot of the, the,
the stomach upset
challenges that people have.
And then finally, you
know, you got, if all
that's working properly,
you'll poop properly.
And if that's happening,
then you wind up increasing
your microbiome diversity.
So the more that system works
and the fecal stream kind of
is going at a normal clip,
you know, the, the better
off you're going to be.
Microbiome diversity.
And since microbiome
diversity prevents disease
because it prevents
zonulin, which is the source
of all disease, you can
see where I'm going here.
Right? Yeah. So that's
the whole point of that.
It's a comprehensive thing.
And people will take somewhere between two
and six a day, depending
on their challenges.
And, um, if you don't have gut upset,
two a day is probably okay
with you before a meal.
And if you get bloating
after every meal, take one
or two before every meal.
'cause the digestive
enzymes will help you.
You're probably lacking in acid
and digestive enzymes if that's the case.
- That's what I was gonna ask you,
but I think now I know it's a, a capsule.
- Capsule. Yeah. Yeah.
- So you mentioned lactose, uh, lacto
- Ma Yes. .
So that's what you, I mean,
there's a lot of yogurts.
I make my own yogurt, I'll be honest.
And I have a How, how
do you make your yogurt?
Um, well see now, now that
I'm promoting this product,
I'm going to have to do both.
But the yogurt that I had been making
until July 8th mm-Hmm. ,
um, is made with grass
fed organic full fat milk.
I'll even add a little cream to it
so I can get a higher percentage fat.
Because fat is important
to your microbiome,
the microbiome will turn
that fat into butyrate.
Okay? Mm-Hmm. and milk
proteins are inflammatory
to the intestinal tract.
So you really only want to
consume a fermented version
of cow's milk.
Okay. So kepper or, or yogurt.
So a cottage cheese if it's cultured.
Um, and some cheeses Okay.
Depending on how they make it.
Alright. You can buy cultures
that are almost specifically
to your desires.
But rer, I ram nosis
and acidophilus for women's
health are important.
Um, for a long time
before I started this journey,
I was on thyroid hormone,
you know, and it wasn't
until, honestly, it wasn't
until I got an autoimmune on,
I'm not gonna say out loud why I got it,
because that will ban you from wherever
you post this video .
But I think you probably can guess.
Um, but I got an autoimmune
complication as a result
of a medication I was mandated
to take How we'll say that.
And so I kind of went
down the deep dive on
holistic medicine on naturopathic things.
None of my medical doctors
were willing to even entertain
the timing of my disease as being related
to the thing they made me take.
Yeah. Like, they wouldn't even
entertain it. Not possible.
Of course, they're all wrong
now, right. We're proving that.
But, but anyway, so fine us
the doctor healed thyself.
I went on a mission. Yeah.
I, I'm a microbiologist my mother.
I grew up with my mother
making yogurt. Mm-Hmm.
and kind of did some deep dive of reading.
And I thought, okay, that I
need to find cultures. Mm-Hmm.
that for fact have those bacteria in them.
And I make it fresh
myself. It is delicious.
And, um, it's easy to do.
- Yeah. Well, I'm on a mission myself,
and I have, I don't have
the science background
or medical degrees,
but I do feel that, uh, the
medical field did fail me
on my endometriosis.
I was misdiagnosed for years.
And because it was in
my rectum area, I was
at my gastrologist monthly.
Like I had my first colonoscopy
in my early twenties.
- God bless you.
- Uh, they, I was misdiagnosed of having,
I had IBS constipation, uh, I had colitis.
Uh, they at one point said
I had Crohn's disease.
- Interesting.
- And, uh, then they put me on,
I believe I was on a
medication called Ness
- Es
- Yes.
I was on that for quite a while.
And then finally when
I was, you know, trying
to have a family, wasn't able to,
and it was too late for me.
And I found an amazing doctor
Naza, who specializes in endometriosis,
and he's outta Stanford
all word of mouth as well.
He's written tons of
books about endometriosis.
And he saved me. He was
able to do the surgery.
And now I've been on this
whole new path to mission.
- A journey.
- Yes. I'm on a journey .
I want to help people with
constipation. Well, well,
- Look, I'll tell you.
So that journey though is
gonna serve so many people,
which is why you were given the
struggle in the first place.
Right? So struggle is
real, but it's for purpose.
Um, in constipation, one thing
I've found in my practice,
woefully underdiagnosed,
even by other, uh,
colorectal surgeons, is a particular form
of pelvic floor dysfunction
called internal rectal prolapse.
Mm-Hmm. . And it's shocking
how many people have that.
Not everyone needs surgery for that,
but if you're doing all the holistic stuff
and the physical therapy
and you're still struggling,
that might be your issue.
Mm-Hmm. . And I don't like
people on things like Lin Linzess
or daily laxatives.
Magnesium is fantastic,
but some of these other
laxatives are stimulants.
If you take 'em for more than five days,
you'll paralyze your colon.
Now you're really in a heap of trouble.
So it's like you really are in a bind.
And this is, it can be
an anatomical problem.
Um, and it may be one of the
things that got fixed along
with your endometrioma,
to be honest with you,
because the repair for that condition
operates pretty much in that same plane
between rectum and vagina.
But then we add a little step, we get
behind the rectum and lift up.
But the where it starts
is in that plain rectum
and vagina, you'll get a
little pocket that starts
to block you, and then
over many, many, many years
because everyone says, you're constipated.
I could care less. Just
go about your way .
That's kind of how
doctors treat you. Yeah.
Um, you can damage things,
you can become incontinent
as a result of all that.
So, Mm-Hmm. , my mission is
to never let someone my
age experience incontinence
because we missed it.
That's just doesn't seem right.
And if you'd have a conversation
with people, you wouldn't miss it.
Yeah. So that's, so we're kind
of on similar missions,
I would have to admit.
- I love that. I love that.
That's why I love following you .
So as we're coming to close, I mean,
I could go on and on and on, um, , but
- I'm very verbal.
I apologize for taking your time.
- Oh, don't apologize. I've
loved every second of it.
I wanna continue . My whole
point about lacto, uh,
bacillus is, is that in sourdough bread
- It can be because it's
naturally occurring.
- Yeah.
- But when you take,
and I get the sourdough
bread question a lot.
If you're, if you're like, okay, look,
sourdough is fermented.
There's not as much gluten and sourdough.
And that is a true statement.
If you're the one who made it,
if you buy it at the store,
they're adding acid to regular bread
to make it taste sourdough.
So you have to be cautious
how things are made. Okay.
Um, bacteria and yeast are
floating around the air. Always.
It's normal. Mm-Hmm.
think back to 4,000 years
ago, they were making,
you know, honey based mead,
for lack of better words,
they were making wine,
they were making bread.
They, they didn't go to the store
and have fleischmann's and port.
I mean, they left it open to air.
And this is how you make sauerkraut.
This is how you make,
um, kombucha tea. Mm-Hmm.
It's how you make fermented rice
and it's how you make sourdough.
And it used to be how you make yogurt.
- Yeah.
- You can't control what's in there.
So you do wanna start as sterile
as humanly possible with
all of those things.
You don't wanna have any
metal involved when you're
fermenting something because
metal ions will kill bacteria.
You'll get all the
wrong types of bacteria.
Yeast don't like metal. So, so,
and you want a little
bit of yeast in there.
Um, so if you'll get
glass, ceramic, um, wood,
those are usually the things
that people will ferment in.
Boil something, get it sterile as to milk.
You pasteurize it.
Modern milk straight outta the
carton has already been pasteurized.
You don't need to repeat that stuff.
Um, but don't drink outta
the carton and then make your yogurt.
Right. Gotta be, you
wanna keep it as clean
as humanly possible.
That way the natural bacteria in the air
are settling into your food.
Food. We need that. We don't
need all surfaces covered
with, um, antimicrobials.
That's another problem we're having
because that, I'm telling
you, you're ingesting some
of this antimicrobial
and killing a microbiome.
Wow. So you do want fermented food.
So yogurt is good, sourdough is good,
but there is gluten still in
it, even though you've made it.
Um, just beware. And a
kombucha sauerkraut the
water in a sauerkraut.
There's a microbiologist who
did a great lecture on that.
And, and his lab did a study unofficially
just out of their own interest.
'cause their microbiologists
is what we do for a living.
Mm-Hmm. . And they took
all known prebiotics. Yeah.
The probiotics that you
can commercially buy.
And, and they were like, look,
if you are willing to make
sauerkraut and you don't
have to eat the sauerkraut,
you just wanna drink a couple of teaspoons
of the liquid every day and
then just put a little bit more
water in it and keep a perpetual culture.
Yeah. And, but most people
aren't brave enough to do that.
'cause like, is this
gonna kill? We're trained
to think it's gonna kill you
'cause there's bacteria in
it, you know?
So that's thus the need for
an encapsulated probiotic.
Thus it's in our Z seven
- Z seven. Yes. Yeah.
- But if you're brave and you want to try,
if you're feeling very homestead,
feel free, feel free to do that.
- Well, I eat kimchi
every single day. Yeah,
- There you go.
- Just sauerkraut. Yeah.
- It's sauerkraut. It would very spicy .
Now it's, here's a hack.
And this is what I also do with my yogurt.
If I don't, if I've run out
of my own cultures Mm-Hmm. .
But there's a yogurt that I like,
like let's say I like,
we like Greek yogurt.
We will buy Greek yogurt,
organic Greek yogurt from
the store, or Bavarian.
I love Bavarian yogurt. That's
how I was raised. Mm-Hmm. .
There are two different styles of yogurt.
Go to the store, get some of that,
get a huge heaping
tablespoon of that yogurt
and you put it in milk and heat it,
you'll have the exact same yogurt at home.
Wow. But it didn't cost you
$6, cost you one pint of milk.
Um, so you can't, and you can
do the same with sauerkraut.
If you have a a favorite
deli sauerkraut, buy some,
throw some in with some shredded cabbage
and see if you can't create your own batch
of the exact same sauerkraut.
Now they probably put salt
and some spices like, you
know, kimchis got a lot
of spices in it, so I'm
sure you've gotta do other
stuff than just ferment it.
But you can make your own. And it's fun.
Teach the kids how to do it.
I, my kids grew up doing that stuff. So ,
- I'm going to do that.
You have shared such a
wealth of information.
I'm so grateful for you. So
thank you, thank you, thank you.
- My pleasure. Hopefully I
didn't talk too much, I apologize.
- No, no. I, I love hearing
you speak, so thank you.
- Anytime. It was fun.
- Yeah. You're, you're changing, uh,
you're changing people's lives
and please continue with the mission,
because that's what I am on as well
to help people and their gut. Perfect.
- Yes. Perfect. We need
a collaborative effort
of, of people.
So it's all about the,
it's all about the mission.
- I mean, I've tried every
laxative out there in the world
because I was on it for so
long and it was horrible.
Sure. And that's why I came up
with my own product. Travely.
It's not a probiotic
or a prebiotic, it's
strictly just vitamins
and minerals. Right.
- And the magnesium is, is
the, the active ingredient.
So that's, and,
and honestly, people
are devoid of magnesium.
Um, you know, the problem
is if if you've got diarrhea
and you take a magnesium,
you may suffer some intestinal distress .
So you do have to be cautious. But yeah.
People with constipation benefit
from magnesium. Absolutely.
And when you travel, that's the number one
reason people get constipated.
- Yeah. Well I also believe
that the, I always think that,
well, all the ingredients
combined work really help
or helpful for,
or just specifically when
you're traveling, right, ?
- Well, absolutely. And that's,
that's when people complain.
That's the number one time is the travel.
So kudos to the product
because I think that's, you
got the right niche there.
- Perfect. Thank you. And so, um,
I seven launches July,
- July 8th.
So if you've got upper GI distress
and you've tried everything you don't know
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We're gonna combine a lot of education
and I'm the spokesperson for that.
So I'm, I'm already starting to bank
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So people who join our community
for XI F seven will have
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Um, very similar to, I have an
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So my website's dr anna toker.com,
you can find information on that
or you can just wa I give most of
that same information I give
eventually on the Instagram
doesn't cost you anything, um,
or ultimately in the ZY seven group.
So.
- Amazing. Well, I, you'll find
me
- .
- I look forward to, uh,
purchasing some zy seven.
It sounds amazing. I love
all the enzymes and all the,
- I Yes.
We'd love your feedback too.
- Yeah, I love that. I
- Could see a world taking Zy seven
and travels on vacation. I can see it.
- Yes. .
- Absolutely. See it.
Dive seven for your daily use
when you head for vacation.
There you go. It's perfect.
- Yay. Well, thank you for
sharing your knowledge.
And that's it for this episode.
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